Hawaii tourist police?

';Stick to the well established and developed areas. there are more than enough for years and years..and if you get off track, quietly and politely show your respect for others and leave.';

Wow.

I%26#39;ve only made a few posts on this board, but it is clear that many of the posters aren%26#39;t tourists sharing experiences, but Hawaiian politicos with a ';don%26#39;t bother us'; agenda. To those Hawaiians who feel the best way to preserve their peace and quiet is to scare or intimidate people off of public roadways, or make specious claims to private property violations and pelt tourists with coconuts to keep them away, well, at best that%26#39;s just sad, and at worst it is criminal.

Hawaii gets a huge amount of money from the Federal government for all sorts of projects. The tourist industry brings in by far more money to Hawaii than any other. If there are problems, deal with it legally- and through your local government- and don%26#39;t make life tough on the tourists.

Don%26#39;t like people driving on ';your'; road? Then get together and buy the road. Don%26#39;t like people ';trespassing'; on your property? Well then, make sure it IS your property first. If it isn%26#39;t, then BUY the property, and post it with LEGAL kaput signs to keep the people out.

There is already a move afoot to limit the number of rental units on Maui. Ok. That%26#39;s the way to do it. Have the airlines limit the number of people they fly in here. Limit the number of rental cars on Maui. Petition the state to close some roads- or to sell them to local groups.

Hawaii is part of the USA and when was the last time Hawaii has turned down any Federal aid? I%26#39;ll answer the question: never.

A lot of people would like to have the ';problems'; that comes with owning property in Hawaii, so please refrain from taking pot shots at tourists who spend a lot of money to see the sights. If they are breaking the law, call the police, if they are not, leave them alone.

Hawaii tourist police?

Before this gets out of hand (or removed completely) I think I%26#39;ll add that tho%26#39; I certainly don%26#39;t agree with the attitude displayed in the opening post, I do think there are some on here who go overboard about tourists and our inability to resepct the Hawaii of old.

Please note that I am NOT saying to go into any Kapu (not Kaput) areas, nor am I advocating acting in anyway different than you would at home. I%26#39;m simply stating an opinion. It seems to me that people who live on a Hawaiian Island are more agressive in their efforts to keep people out of certain areas.

An open public road/place is an open public road/place no matter who wants you to stay off it.

Hawaii tourist police?

I am not going to keep posting on this topic but in Arlington, VA area there are a lot of ';city streets'; that have ';No Through Street'; on it (i.e., not a cut-through for people not going to a place on the section of street) and lots of areas that have ';resident parking sticker only'; streets. Paid for by all, not to be used by all. And no, I%26#39;m not a politico and no, I do not live on one of those streets.

Easy decision-if you dont have respect for the local culture and customs in Hawaii dont go.

i do and realize that we are their guests and dont have the right to tread on private property.

Well, staying as politically correct as one can in a speedo, it%26#39;s just that everyone here has some varied opinions. Some travelers and some locals also have very strong opinions per se.

I value and try to respect all of these whether I agree with them or not! I don%26#39;t always like whatever one says, including the locals on the board, but I understand each one%26#39;s unique point of view.

Mahalo for listening everyone...Caddy

hi 65John3, wow this a pretty negative post, and I%26#39;m sorry you feel that way. If you read some history you would perhaps understand better. You do not seem to understand what really goes on here at all, from the numerous off base assumptions you make in your post.

first off, only Native Hawaiians (or in part thereof) are referred to as Hawaiians. That is important to understand. kaiwahine is Hawaiian. I am not. I am a resident of Hawai`i. And it is insulting to everyone to use a metaphor such as ';pelt tourists with coconuts.';

What is with weird statements like

Hawai`i is complicated. There are many cultures. The government doesn%26#39;t work exactly like what you%26#39;re used to at home -- OK, nothing like what you%26#39;re used to.

The police have other things to do. They can barely address the property crimes like theft. They are not very responsive to boundary issues. Call a policeman over trespassing and they may show up hours later, perhaps having helped an accident victim or two first ... broken up some fights ... trespassing is at the bottom of the list.

You don%26#39;t know what problems face property owners in Hawai`i. You only imagine what it would be like.

Honu_Ohana makes a good point. At one time I lived in Berkeley. All PUBLICLY owned streets, but yet only residents of a specific neighborhood were entitled to park for more than two hours, and they had to pay and buy stickers in order to park in front of their own houses.

Plus most of the streets had barriers which had turned the neighborhoods into no thru traffic mazes, and the other streets had speed bumps. The message was clear: do not drive on the residential streets unless you live there or are visiting someone who lives there (and good luck visiting anyone with no off street parking!).

The people of Hawai`i have traditionally been incredibly generous with their hospitality. The result being that tourists have forgotten that spending money does not entitle you to overwhelm a neighborhood any more than in Berkeley, or Arlington, or any area that sees more traffic than it can handle.

I just do not understand what it is with visitors to Maui who spout off with this indignation and push the boundaries. Limiting rentals is not even a topic on the Big Island. I have never had a tourist disrespect my private property here or get an attitude. No one has ever told me this is the USA, if you don%26#39;t like it get the government to do your bidding.

%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;Don%26#39;t like people driving on ';your'; road? Then get together and buy the road.

Excuse me? What ever makes you think that the county sells its roads to private parties?

%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;post it with LEGAL kaput signs

thank you for the laugh. Kaput indeed.

By the way, the only dog I have in this fight is that I am sad that arrogant tourists wear out the good will of friendly people -- which then impacts all of you who don%26#39;t act that way because all tourists get lumped together, at least when in a rental car.

If I go to Maui I will be a tourist and I would like for people to be glad to see me, but unless this attitude of entitlement and lack of historical or cultural knowledge gets toned down, I don%26#39;t expect it.

if I only had an edit button I would remove the dangling fragment ... the perils of cut and paste.

OK, I%26#39;ve now read the ';Another Hana Question'; topic and I see why it%26#39;s useless to try to get through here. Thank you everyone who is respectful of others and rates respect as more important than seeing a waterfall.

well said, kama! (sorry i couldn%26#39;t remember how to spell your whole name!)

Just for Sh#$t%26#39;s and giggles, lets remove this debate to the mainland...my Great-grandfather homesteaded land in the west 110 years ago...my family who lives there still deals with ';natives'; who have rights to it because it is on ';reservation land';...more to the point they have to deal with ';tourists'; who come into hunt every fall from Minnesota, Florida and other points east and destroy newly planted crops, fences and roads...this is NOT just a problem for the islands. There are a whole lot of folks who think they own what ever they can walk on! Because their ';tax dollars'; have paid for it in their minds.

When your ';tax dollars'; contibute to local schools, roads etc. THEN you have a say! Not until!

mamma, i don%26#39;t want to get into a ';homesteaders'; vs. ';natives'; debate...

but i know how i feel about trespassers.

we own about 7 acres, and for a lot of years the land behind us was undeveloped woods. then the owner of the land decided to build a house as a rental up there on the hill behind us.

the renter%26#39;s son wants to do nothing more with his spare time than drive an atv around...%26amp; we discovered that they%26#39;d cut a path for him on OUR property....between our house %26amp; our ';pet cemetery'; even!

his mother said to me ';well...he has rights, too!'; well, not to ride on MY property, he doesn%26#39;t!

not sure why anybody thinks that they%26#39;re entitled to trespass on private property when they%26#39;re not welcome. as has been said before...it ain%26#39;t disneyland.

NO place is disneyland...except disneyland!